BuddyEffed:
"In the aftermath of the financial crisis, large private equity firms spent tens of billions of dollars buying foreclosed homes across the United States to operate them as rental properties. "
Or was it really to prop up a mark to model accounting methodology? I find it hard to call it a business model, instead of a methodology because a business model tends to imply stability and profit.
Bemused Observer:
Anything to keep those values up. God forbid investors should lose a nickel on depreciating assets. If regular folks won't buy the houses to live in, then sell 'em off to suckers who will try and play 'Landlord' for awhile, because the investors who snapped them up have to unload them now for more than they paid.
The problem is, we seem to have more ticks than we do dog.
blindfaith:
correct me if I am wrong here, but isn't Cerberus Capital Management part of the Chrysler bailout? Aren't Dan Quail former USVP under George Bush, and John Snow former Sec of the Tres., general partners in Cerberus Capital Management.
If so you know it is a safe bet for them
AccreditedEYE:
Don't get it... Rent-backed bonds I get. They get liquid quick and easy. This is so convoluted and time consuming. Why would they opt to go this way versus rent backed credit?
taketheredpill:
Returns in US housing "recovery" were best at the beginning but getting skinnier now and big players want out. I assume the pool of Institutional buyers for the housing product is stuffed so this opens up another source of fools, sorry buyers.
GittyUP:
I sell to the hedge funds all time and they are idiots. The rent backed bonds are a great idea on paper but its way to hard to make it work in the real world. Real estate is a stupid to manage and on that scale its almost impossible. They decided its better to lend the money to local smal investors who know the local market better. A huge part of their underwriting process is experience, I know because I looked into these loans 6 months ago. Its a great product if your business model is buying with all cash, fix, rent. They wil let you cash out on 10 homes or more with a blanket loan at 70% ARV. COCR is much much higher leveraged then cash even at 70%. Its a win win for everyone. 30% equity is a safe cushion for lenders and 70% LTV allows investor to get much higher COCR. Also the homes must be performing for min. time period with hard proof and the rent must cover loan payments by about double.
This is a way safer product for banks then lending 97% on owner occuied loans to people who have no experience owning a home and no money in the bank to cover unexpected expenses.
Bananamerican:
Agree with Gittyup?
Agree with Toolshed? (from below)"Sounds to me like the guys providing the loans have a bunch of real estate they don't want to be sitting on when the SHTF. Your private equity firm comes to the realization that the landlord business is not such a cash cow afterall, and decides it needs to unload the crap before it gets seriously burned in a downturn. They try to sell, ...but can't find a buyer with deep enough pockets to put much of a dent in their inventory of garbage. So, they brilliantly decide to be the source of the funds out the front door and the garbage out the back door. Pure criminal genius."
philosophers bone:
It's called LOAN TO OWN. Give excess financing to borrowers where default is assured if there is any market correction to real estate prices or interest rates. It's a "bad" lending strategy but a potentially good acquisition strategy.
homebody:
"acquisition strategy"
Sure what you are left with is a trashed house with no fixtures or copper piping.
Just invest more in demolition and then only have to mow the weeds.
NOZZLE:
This is the gASS we've been waiting for, ShitStone bought these houses for 50% of their current value and paid $10,000 a door for multi family properties, without this kind of easy financiing they have no bagholders.
This is the final chapter in making things look like all of the problems have been solved.
homebody:
Ya bullish on Detroit houses - very good risk - no rental management or maintenance needed
Get in on the ground floor on this one - hurry - supplies won't last
(do I really have to say - sarc)
Dead Canary:
And when they are stuck with non-performing loans.... Save up your pennies everybody. There are banks that are gonna need another bailout on the horizon!
Farmer Joe in B:
Pure criminal genius is right...!!
As the post stated, look for ABS on these loans shortly. Just offloading the real estate by funding the landlords still leaves these guys exposed to the loan itself (albeit to a lesser extent than the full value of the property). I seriously wouldn't be surprised to see them bundle together a bunch of these loans and pawn them off.
Landlord-loan ABS definitely coming to a pension fund near you soon....!!
besnook:
liquidity in the housing market isn't a bad thing. spreading risk amongst other professional investors instead of individual buyers is a better model but it is not immune to abuse by everyone involved except the buyers of the mbs'.
what i find funny in a stupid human nature way is the renter who has rationalized renting as better than owning ending up creating a reflexive trend confirming a biased rationale for renting(as there was for buying). in the end the renter will end up paying more for renting than buying while vociferously arguing the benefits of renting outway the benefits of ownership. in other words, buying rental property is probably a good long term bet right now.
Mike Honcho:
No (big word) benef
it (bigger term) to renting, got it, thanks professor.
Blankenstein:
Spoken like a true realtard.
" in the end the renter will end up paying more for renting "
Really? How about the enormous amount of people who bought at extremely inflated prices during the bubble? They have to make interest payments for the life of the loan, pay property taxes and maintain the home. If they can't sell for a great deal more than they paid, they were essentially "RENTING" the home - they don't get their interest, taxes and maintanence costs back. Also, we are in housing bubble 2.0 and when it pops, good luck getting the sales price you paid for the home. Your "rent" will be even higher for that home you "bought."
gimme soma dat:
It's never been a better time to buy/sell/rent/invest. Consult your local REALTOR®.
Dewey Cheatum Howe:
Sounds like phase II of Georgism being put into action. Phase I was the idea of individual property ownership (but no allodial titles). Only problem you can't tax land if no one has any money to pay for it, including the landlords when you go away from individual property ownership. If you can't get an allodial title for your property you don't own it period regardless of taxation because the property can always be confiscated without using force. You are always renting one way or the other.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeorgismKasperfx:
I seen this coming years a geo when the private equity firms started buying up and inflating the overpriced SFH market, their plan is to now dump the overpriced SFH to the "joe Real estate investor and keep the inflated notes/debt . this is a sure sign thats its time to pass the hot potato !.
Lmo Mutton:
We have to create the bubble to see if it pops.
venturen:
do we have to rescue them when it blows up...I assume the Federal Government backs all of these loans? Getting tired of rescuing billionaires
markar:
This should be amazingly profitable for the small/mid sized landlord. On top of maintenance costs, vacancy rates, and mgt. fees now they can add mortgage payments to the mix. Not to speak of the lack of economies of scale managing single family homes scattered around.
Handful of Dust:
"Just walk away...."
Why pay rent? Live for free for months before you get thrown out just make sure you have sumthing lined up elsewhere first.
But....many landlords and aprtment complexes simply don't care if you have stiffed the last guy 'cause they're hurting so bad for renters right now in many places. I read somewhere occupancy rates in places like South Dakota and the Houston area have plunged so apartment complex managers are desperate. I saw this in the DFW area during the 1980's recession...the area turned downward very badly and pretty nice apartment complexes became trash by handing out those "first-3 months free" deals. It attracts a certain crowd.
If you are plannin gon buying a house [as crazy as that sounds] be sure to stay as far away as possible from apartment complexes since this downturn may cause the same apartment ghettoes i saw in the 1980's.
shovelhead:
Brilliant idea.
Timesharing your overinflated, soon to be NPL's, to the chumps on the other end of the Bigger Fool conga line.
Kasperfx:
Good example of craziness this Fed funded SFH market has become, take a look at this18,000 Sq Ft beauty
http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhom ... -Cir_For... , now look at were it is, google
maphttps://www.google.com/maps/place/Es ... 92b4417c3a it's in a gated community of 3/4k sf homes with great views of the powerlines lines .. who the f would live it that place? WTF ,, anyone have a suker for this one? lol
Lin S:
Cathay Bank has been promoting this for awhile to mainland Chinese with cash.
More recently, I noticed a For Sale-type sign in front of the house on my block (suburban Los Angeles area), which instead read, "for lease." After sitting vacant for three months, a Caucasian family with nice cars has moved in.
Maybe that's the trend now: wealthy Chinese landlords living somewhere else, buy up houses and rent them to Americans who cannot afford a house of their own, and who are instead forced to pay exorbitant rents.
How will all of this end?
GreaterFool1965:
From the PE firms' perspective, this is brilliant. They want out, so they are providing vendor financing. I.e. they are willing to accept their cash over time instead of all upfront to sell their properties to other 'investors'. Then, to get out of the credit risk they have taken on, they securitize this vendor financing and sell it to other investors, who want the yield from lending money to small investors who want to get into the RE market. Briliant! They get out of their RE investments, with one 'investor' owning the property and other 'investors' holding the note from the first investor. Rinse. Repeat.
treasureX:
As a landlord, I think this is a useful product. Having to come up with a 30% down payment, I feel, eliminates the "speculators". When you have the ability to come up with that kind of cash it changes you decision making process.
mendolover:
There's a rebound in the housing market?
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Viernes, 6 de Marzo del 2015 - 7:26:57
- Tsipras
Ha pedido a sus ministros menos palabras y más acciones
Considera que el ECB aún tiene "la soga en su cuello"
Descarta la salida de Grecia del Euro porque "ama Europa"
Quiere emitir deuda a corto plazo para cubrir vencimientos de financiación...si el ECB no está de acuerdo, asumirán una gran responsabilidad
- Ministro de finanzas alemán
Un pago rápido es factible si el Gobierno griego implementa las reformas
Como hipótesis el Gobierno griego podría tener ya detalles de su programa de reformas en pocas semanas
El límite es a finales de junio
- Regling (ESM)
Grecia debe pagar toda la deuda recibida del resto de la Eurozona
Los discursos desde Atenas han sido en ocasiones irritantes
- Reuter
Grecia ha pagado 310 M. EUR al FMI
- Fitch
Salida de Grecia del EUR posible, pero el riesgo sistémico improbable
Con todo, Europa podría sufrir un shock con la salida
El coste de un posible default de Grecia en la deuda del ECB y del Banco Central Griego es manejable
Podría ocurrir precisamente que la hipotética salida de Grecia fortalezca la Unión
- Draghi
Ayer el Presidente del ECB dijo que no permitirá al Tesoro griego emitir deuda a corto plazo por encima del límite establecido
El ECB no es una institución política que tome decisiones políticas: en las circunstancias actuales no tomará la deuda como colateral en la inyección de fondos
- Stournaras (Banco Central de Grecia)
Es importante que la próxima reunión del Eurogrupo el lunes sea exitosa
La banca griega en general está bien capitalizada, no hay problema con las cifras de depósitos
José Luis Martínez Campuzano de Citi
7:50 La UE podría imponer aranceles de productos de acero inoxidable a China y Taiwán
Algunas fuentes sugieren que la UE va a imponer aranceles a la importación de productos laminados de acero inoxidable en frío procedentes de China y Taiwán.